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Daneel Trevize Black Viper Nomads	Posted - 2011.02.16 13:23:00 - [1] Edited by: Daneel Trevize on 16/02/2011 13:23:47 With 2 90% webs aren't you going to want Void, and/or a long point, and still be weak to neuting? Edit: lol rigs, nevermind.
Daneel Trevize Black Viper Nomads	Posted - 2011.02.16 15:36:00 - [2] I still really think that with 2 90% webs and a scrambler on someone, you'll want that extra 10% dps from T2 ammo. And yes, you aren't going to catch anything that doesn't want to be within 18km and caught by you. As for using the falloff bonus etc [Vigilant, PvP pimped a bit] Damage Control II Ammatar Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Ammatar Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400 Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Warp Disruptor II Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I Hammerhead II x5 230dps more than your stupidly rigged thing. But what do I know.
Daneel Trevize Black Viper Nomads	Posted - 2011.02.16 16:35:00 - [3] Edited by: Daneel Trevize on 16/02/2011 16:40:30 I must encounter more neuts and less frigates than you guys or something. Or not want to be kited to death, and don't expect my targets to let me land on them in k-space. Go small cap booster (still navy 400s) and a trimark if you want. Even 2 trimarks if you can avoid explosive damage and take em instead, magically.
Daneel Trevize Black Viper Nomads	Posted - 2011.02.16 16:43:00 - [4] Because bringing neuts and buffer enough not to get 1 volleyed by this isn't a smart move on their part? Is everyone so certain they'd never have to deal with a cane in these things or something?
Daneel Trevize Black Viper Nomads	Posted - 2011.02.16 17:07:00 - [5] Ok sure go scram, but a (deadspace) AB + armour tanked cruiser is just going to roll over and die to most T2 fit insured BCs, and it can't outrun anything with a long point if you didn't GTFO in time. And any faster shield cruisers that it can't tackle also pwn it slowly from range. Your fit seems suited for mini-gatecamp frig gang smashing, a baby Vindi. How do you think it'll handle a rupture/vexor/god forbid any cheaper, insured HAC? TL;DR: Can't catch what it can kill (unless v lucky/back to vs idiots), can't kill what it can be caught by. Expensive, or very expensive fits.
Daneel Trevize Black Viper Nomads	Posted - 2011.02.16 17:51:00 - [6] Edited by: Daneel Trevize on 16/02/2011 17:56:09 No I don't own a Vigilant, I looked at it and never quite decided it was worth it for the limitations I couldn't get around. If 1 cheap BC wants you dead before you or your mates have killed it, you're probably going down. Me 1 Me 2 Not much I know but I fly a Proteus with quite a bit of success, and have used Astarte, Ashimmu, Arazu and even Deimos almost without loss, though as my experience has grown I find Scorch or Winmatar are indeed the way forward. But back to this business of knowing your every opponent and not roaming... so you're staying in 1 system with alts & corpmates to ensure you're safe to gank a frig in a bil isk cruiser? Where are your Vigilant kills anyway, seems you have less that 13, so 1% of your total.
Daneel Trevize Black Viper Nomads	Posted - 2011.02.16 18:19:00 - [7] Edited by: Daneel Trevize on 16/02/2011 18:18:57 I'm confused, now you have 1/3 the kills and you've killed 3 more things with a Vigilant than you have in a pod... FWIW OP, shield Vigilants and Adrestia were/are ripping up the FFAs on Sisi. Try them out with meta4 webs unless you can bargain some faction stuff. Mail me if you want a Vig and there's none available.
Daneel Trevize Black Viper Nomads	Posted - 2011.02.16 18:45:00 - [8] Originally by: Daneel Trevize ...I don't own a Vigilant... Originally by: Dark Assassin15 and you sir have killed 0 things in a vigi Needz m0ar 90% webz 2 keep up!!1 I would 1v1 your Vig fit in my Ashimmu any time, just say when, please.
Daneel Trevize Black Viper Nomads	Posted - 2011.02.16 18:53:00 - [9] Wait so Rupture > 1bil Vigilant? Why is that? The lack of cap booster, or the lack of mwd, or the blasters, or the isk, or what? Back to the ship and basics, if a blaster boat is fail without a scram and a web, what's wrong with having just 1 web that's as good at slowing the enemy as a scram, but also keeps their sig huge and drains their cap? Midslots are precious, but CCP just gave you a 2 for 1 special, why pack 2? To control a second target that's already within 18km?
Daneel Trevize Black Viper Nomads	Posted - 2011.02.16 19:29:00 - [10] Edited by: Daneel Trevize on 16/02/2011 19:36:33 I can't help but think you're agreeing with me. You fit a ship to work with its strengths and mitigate its weaknesses. Why do only you get to know the enemy and dictate the engagement? Vs said Ashimmu you're under a long point, with only an ab, and can't get away, or into point range without being neuted dry in 1 cycle. Vs a Cynabal, again you're kited to death, you can't get away or hit it. Packing different drones you might have a lucky jam to flee with. In fact vs any other faction cruiser I can think of, you're ****ed the same way. Phantasm, kited like the Ashimmu would. Gila, lol you're goint to be kited and maybe die to a Gila, or just shoot its drones and it'll leave. You surely need to expect people to try and not get close to the blaster boat. And to neut it if they can, or bring neuts/TDs if they expect to meet it with any regularity. If they do get/start close, what's a second, stacking penalized web going to get you that a different mid isn't? If you're vs a frig, again pack some bloody warriors + ec300s if it isn't dead already. Put a TD of your own in the new spare mid rather than another web for vs cruisers of anything beyond the T1 varient. Yes there's no ubersolopwn ship, but this one has some real limitations to consider despite the fact CCP give it bonuses to work around usual blaster boat ones.
Daneel Trevize Black Viper Nomads	Posted - 2011.02.16 19:46:00 - [11] For 800m you'd get a proteus that has nearly an order of magnitude more buffer and a scram that's as long as its web. And more drones iirc.
Daneel Trevize Black Viper Nomads	Posted - 2011.02.16 19:57:00 - [12] And I think yours is weak to almost everything, unless they end up within scrambler range, so I felt the need to warn the OP of that. It was only 2 ACR at most, and can be 2 trimarks if you wish for 2 less navy 400 cap boosters before reload, and an explosive hole.

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